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the defense is trying to convince the judge to suppress some evidence. aaron hernandez is accused of killing three people, including a semiprofessional football player named oden lloyd. he's pleaded not guilty. watch tonight, downward spiral inside the case against aaron hernandez. 9:00 eastern tonight on cnn. that's it for me. i'll see you tomorrow. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. good thing for the president this guy was there on his day off. i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead. come right on in, the secret service grilled all day on capitol hill. now we're learning new details about the man who got deep into the white house. it took an off-duty agent to stop him. the world lead. >> we have millions of people on the streets. i don't think they can shoot that many people. >> but today could be the tipping point. a day off from work in hong kong
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and thousands, maybe a million waiting to have their voices heard by the communists in china who decided to crack down on their rights. also in national news, he said he hated white people, spoke in arabic. what led a man to commit a beheading on u.s. soil. good afternoon, everyone. i'm jake tapper. we begin with the national lead in one of the most distressing stories we have heard yet about the u.s. secret service amidst years worth of avalanches of horrific stories about the agency tasked with keeping our nation's leaders alive and safe amid a seemingly nonstop slew of threats. the head of that agency was grilled on capitol hill today about the most recent security failure in which a man known by law enforcement to have been disturbed somehow with a knife actually got deep into the white house. >> i hate to even imagine what
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could have happened if gonzalez was carrying a gun. >> this is the secret service against one man with a mental illness and you lost. >> how much would it cost to lock the front door of the white house. >> we heard lawmaker after lawmaker say the suspect got even deeper into the white house than the secret service first admitted, not only hopping the fence and running across the lawn but opening the front door which was astoundingly unlocked but this guy pushed aside a secret service agent and walked to the stairs and got into the white house east room, a room that the president and you know well. it's where the president often speaks to the nation, for example, to say that osama bin
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laden has been killed. this is chilling news, that a time of peril and threats to the nation. it's a job that can zero room for error. the consequences far too tragic and too public to risk. the life of the leader of the free world rests in their hands. the united states secret service, of course, has innumerable quiet successes to its name but after a series of fee fiasco, they are in the spotlight and not for the first time. julia pearson today answered for the latest, shocking security failures. >> it's clear that our security plan was not properly executed. >> reporter: most recently, september 19th, when an iraq war veteran with a knife in his pocket hopped the fence and ran
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unimpeded through the front door of the white house getting to the east room, bypassing five rings of security. >> i wish to god you -- you protected the white house like you are protecting your reputation here today. >> the safety of the president and his family has been the charge of the secret service since 1902. before then, the secret service was tasked with protecting counterfeiters. those protected without incident are numerous but our memories hold only the most extreme. reagan shot in 1981. ford caught in a would-be crosshairs in 1975 and the most searingly, kennedy killed in 1963. there are other incidents, though, during the nixon administration, a helicopter was landed on the front lawn.
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taft, teddy roosevelt, truman, nixon, reagan, bush, bush, and, of course, obama. pearson was asked about these bullet holes that went undiscovered by the secret service until four days after they were fired by a gun into the white house in 2011. and they are embattled because of the 2012 incident when a dozen agents were punished after a night of debochery, heavy drinking on the list of transgressions. >> we're humans and people make mistakes. >> of course, it's a job with little room for mistakes. joining us now, the chairman of the committee that held today's hearing, darrell issa. congressman, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. so look, this is a mess. we have the incident with this guy getting into the east room, the cardejena incident, the
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salahis. what's the problem? >> this is an agency that has a very large budget, thousands of employees, plenty of time and money for training but appears to have low morale, questionable training being done. an example is, the officer that was supposed to lock the front door thought she had locked the front door but in fact she was not trained on how to lock an old-fashion door that had little pegs at the top and the bottom. since that time, they put an electric lock on so that won't happen again. but this is a 150-year-old plus building. prevention would have stopped this to begin with. >> is the problem the leadership? the president says he still has confidence in the director, julia pearson. you say you do not. do you think she should resign? >> today, mr. cummings and i failed to see the real commitment and sharp answers that we had hoped for from the
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director, both my ranking member, mr. cummings and i, are going to be asking for an oversight panel to look at the series of events that in a way would look to reform with or without the director at the secret service because it's clear that just saying we can do better or it was just human error doesn't get it anymore. >> so you're not calling for her resignation? >> that's really a decision for the secretary and the president. the oversight role and reform role is to make sure that the information is available both to congress and to the president. but the president has not been well-served by the secret service, in my opinion, during his entire presidency. these mistakes, each and every one of them, should not happen in an agency with a $1.5 billion budget. >> let's talk about their tactics for a second. i want to play this clip from congressman advocating for deadly force on intruders.
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>> if a would-be intruder can't be stopped by a dog or intercepted by a person, perhaps more lethal force is necessary and i want those agents and officers to know that at least this member of congress has their back. don't let somebody get close to the president or his family. if they have to take action that is lethal, i will have their back. >> look, obviously if the secret service had fired and killed this man, people would be outcrying saying they used excessive force, et cetera. but given the world we're in, do you think that should be the norm, that deadly force on intruders who hop the fence and run to the white house should be standard operating procedure? >> if the procedures that were in place had been followed, the dog had been released, individuals had gotten to him in time, this wouldn't have been necessary. if the door had been locked, they would have trapped him at
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the door. failing those points, the question of should you shoot somebody as they enter the white house, the director said they have the authority to do it. it's a judgment call. but i think the important issue here is, they do have the tools, famously sniper tools and so on, if there's an attack on the white house and i think that's what subcommittee chairman chaffetz was talking about, if there's an attack, you should be able to. but the concern here is, if it weren't for off duty in addition to the secret service agent at the door, they wouldn't have tackled him until far later and ultimately, he got all the way into the east room, dragging secret service agent behind him, one through had a gun and a baton and who had thought she locked the door. that series of mistakes and lack of capability should concern us. >> what's the most important fact you heard today, either from the public session or closed-door session that we did not hear?
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>> i think what the american people that heard that really astounded them is that a, quote, ceremonial door with a bulletproof overshield was not designed to be locked and the agent at the door was unable to properly lock it which would have prevented this. that is perhaps the most egregious error. somebody running from the fence and whether you can catch them in time is different. you knew somebody is coming and you could have locked the door. as we correct these kinds of errors, in 2011, the shots fired, there were technologies that would allow you to differenciate between a shot fired and a backfiring of a vehicle. there's technology to show you where it was fired from and where it went to. those technologies have to be employed around the white house. but jake, here's the concern that mr. chaffetz said and mr. cummings and i will share. the white house is the easiest
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secure place that the president never goes. >> right. >> the hard to secure place is somebody's home while he's doing a campaign event or while he's traveling. you can remember president obama being -- well-rehearsed and motivated and that's part of what we want to review to look at, is the morale, training and discipline of this force to make sure it's at its best. >> congressman darrell issa of california, thank you. >> thank you. in other national news, it's more than likely he will face the death penalty, the man accused of beheading a co-worker charged today with first-degree murder as the district attorney reveals new details, including the suspect's statement that he hated white people. that's coming up next.
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big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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. welcome back to "the lead." he said he didn't, quote, like white people and had a
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fascination with beheadings. according to the cleveland county district attorney, 30-year-old alton nolen was motivated by revenge after he was suspended by his job at vaughan foods for making racist buildings. >> upon the beginning of the building, he attacked mrs. hufford and ended up beheading her. he then found mrs. johnson and attacked her. there were three different people that he had on his mind that had oppressed him. and they were of different races and different genders. >> the fbi is investigating claims that nolen spoke arabic when he allegedly attacked two women with a knife. he had recently converted to islam and quoted the koran in various facebook postings.
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he'll most likely face the death penalty. joining me is jim clemente, author of the book "without consent." thank you for joining us. based upon what we know now, did he do this because he's deranged, muslim extremist, because he's disgruntled? why did he do it? >> i think it's a combination of all of the above. i think he used this opportunity to get revenge but also used the mechanism of radicalized religion to actually sort of rationalize his behavior. i think this is a very, very dangerous combination, when you have a hate speech, you have somebody who has radicalized a religion and when you have violent postings for violent behavior, that's a trifecta and that's an indication that this guy will act out violently. >> there's criticism for not labeling him a terrorist, for not labeling this is a terrorist attack. you're a former official with
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the fbi. is political correctness part of that decision? >> well, i don't think so. i think they want to be accurately describing what he is. now, people said that he uttered words from the koran or -- excuse me. uttered arabic language during the course of the attacks. unless those words were actually translated, unless we actually know what he said, we don't know exactly what he was saying and whether this was a terroristic act or really just a revenge act where he kind of wanted to make it seem like it's more than what it actually was. >> do you think there was any way for anyone to have anticipated that he was capable of such violence? and, if so, what could they have done? >> well, i think the hate speech that got him suspended was enough to refer him to a psychological counselor. and if he was evaluated at that time, he may have actually come up as somebody who was going to act out violently. of course, nobody could actually
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predict human behavior that way because you have a lot of free will. you can make choices one way or the other. but when you start seeing red flags like that, a good psychological analysis would be able to pick up the fact that this guy was headed for violent behavior, i think. >> what about his friends on facebook? he posted horrific images, including a beheading with a religious justification, pictures of osama bin laden. if you had a friend like that and you saw those images and expressions, what are you supposed to do? >> first of all, they can report that kind of stuff to the online organization. but i think that kind of thing, where he's actually posting those pictures of violent acts, beheadings, hate speech, you might want to notify law enforcement in your area and i think that's going to prevent these kinds of things from
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happening. ground swelling of support from people out there, the general public are the ones that have the eyes and ears on all of these pages. he has friends. he has people he talks to. if somebody you know is talking that way and acting that way and posting those things, get him some help. maybe we can prevent these kinds of things from happening. >> jim clemente, thank you for your time. >> thank you. a potential huge break in the search for a suspected cop killer. police in pennsylvania believe they have spotted him in the last 24 hours. new details on that manhunt. and students rushed from the school in kentucky and it's the second school shooting in the country just today.
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welcome back could "the lead." a possible break in the dangerous three-week long manhunt for accused cop killer and survivalist. there was a sighting of eric frein in the past 24 hours. they also found two fully functional pipe bombs in the dense woods they have been searching. justice perez is joining me. what's the latest news? >> this is significant because this is the first time in some time that they've been able to say -- the 1,000 officers searching for him, they believe that they have sighted him. they are not saying where specifically but they have been looking for him in this area. he's booby-trapped the entire area but they believe they are
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close to finding where he is. >> but this isn't the first lead? >> no. they have been mostly at a distance. this is the first time they believe they may have a close sight on him and it's significant that they found these two pipe books because this brings up additional charges that they could bring against him, not only for murdering a police officer and state trooper, but we have weapons of mass destruction. >> translate this from police language for -- into english for us. what does it mean that they have a sighting on him? if you saw him, go get him. what do you mean? >> this guy is a survivalist. they know that he's turned on his cell phone to make a phone call, for instance. and because he seems to have a very good idea of how to hide here, they've been very careful. they've been trying to figure out how not to get too close so he has a shot on them and then not on him.
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so what we know -- they are not being very specific what kind of sighting but this seems to be much more of a closer sighting than the previous ones. >> evan perez, thank you. appreciate it. how are isis fighters still advancing in iraq even though hundreds of air strikes continue to target them? according to the terrorists themselves, they were ready and on the move long before the bombs started falling. that's next. she's still the one for you. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved
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and construction sites. but now let's consider this battlefield from isis' point of view and look at all of the places that they can claim to have launched successful strikes during that same period of time, seizing towns and strategically important places, overrunning iraqi military bases, wiping out convoys and positions themselves for more games, clearly trying to go forward with the plan to encircle baghdad. and if you look at the ground, once again, held by isis before the air strikes began in july and you look at the change between july and now, watch closely, almost no change at all. very little difference and absolutely, jake, there's no indication that for all of this fire power that isis is on the run. >> that would suggest two things. one, that the pentagon meant it
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when they said this isn't going to be a matter of weeks. it's going to be a matter of years. two, the military argument that air strikes is not going to do this. that they need some troops beyond just iraq. that may be a cogent point as well. >> it's very clear that they have adapted and, again, look at that strike pattern. they are striking with almost the same frequency that the coalition is striking. they are clearly not cowed. they are clearly not just going into hiding. >> it's early, of course, as the military keeps pointing out. tom foreman, thank you. bracing for thousands, maybe even a million protests in the streets. one chinese leader is promising china is not going to back down. but as daybreak comes to hong kong, are police ready? (male announcer) it's happening.
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welcome back to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. the fight against isis. so far the united states has been limiting itself to attacking by the air and of course isis can move equipment and people out of the way. are the air strikes working? joining me to discuss the strategy, a former deputy director for plans and strategy. i believe you had a focus on the middle east, if i'm not mistaken. general, i want to ask you, they have attacked the free syrian army facilities, the moderate syrians supporting -- so perhaps because of poor communications with the free syrian army,
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that's what they say. h shouldn't the coalition be doing a better job of coordinating with the fsa? >> i think they are doing their best but if we have the self-imposed limitation of not putting people on the ground to work with the free syrian army to direct those strikes, these are the kinds of things that can happen in warfare. >> i want to ask you about major general jeffrey harrigan. he said to reporters on monday, quote, about isis, they are now dispersing themselves to allow themselves and their situations to be more suffer vrvivorable, will. in other words, isis is adapting to the u.s. coalition strategy. i guess that's to be expected but does that mean the u.s. and coalition need to change the strategy at all? >> no. i think it means we've got to change tactics. look, nobody should be surprised that they are adapting to the
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air strikes. that's exactly what you'd expect the enemy to do on the ground. my question is, how are we going to adapt to a point where the enemy is now focused on how we're operating. this warfare is a matter of adapting and readapting to what the enemy is doing. that's certainly what they are doing to us. i question whether we're doing that to them. >> do you think the air strikes are working? do you think they are followly without u.s. ground troops? >> well, i think the strategy that relying on air alone, without it being directed by perhaps u.s. special forces, perhaps by special forces has put us to the limit now where the enemy is adapting to what we're doing. the larger each is the notion that we've taken any type of u.s. support on the ground off the table.
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that means our -- probably the long pole in our tent, if not the fatal flaw, is reliance on foreign rebels to be for us. i think that's going to come to haunt us. >> one last question, general. there was a policy or is a policy for u.s. drone strikes at the white house set up and announced last year that there was near certainty there wouldn't be any civilian casualties. this policy of near certainty that there won't be civilian casualties does not apply to syria and iraqi. there of, of course, civilian casualties in syria. do you think that's the right decision? >> well, i do. but i think this notion of near certainty may be presenting a false expectation to the american people. every time we do these types of strikes, there's a collateral damage estimation done. there are parameters put on the probability of collateral damage coming about.
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if it doesn't meet those parameters, we don't do the strike. but to suggest that we can do a clean war with near certainty that we won't have civilian casualties i think simply is misleading the american people. we haven't done that in the history of warfare and i don't think that history has changed. >> appreciate your time. another protester brewing in hong kong. tens and thousands have been braving tear gas and pepper spray as they enter day four of demonstrations in a movement primarily led by students in hong kong, calling for a true democracy without interference from beijing. even more people are expected to turn out today as they celebrate the national day. let's go straight to the ground where ivan watson is reporting live. ivan? >> reporter: jake, it's just before 5:00 a.m. here.
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it's raining and, as you can see, these demonstrators are not going home. it's the third straight night now that they have been occupying this highway right next to the government headquarters in hong kong as well as other locations around hong kong and they are not leaving, despite the rain, despite a warning coming from hong kong's top official on tuesday who said that this is illegal and people should go home immediately anded aing that china will not compromise with demonstrators. now, the opposition leaders who have helped -- >> we're obviously having trouble -- >> they have come out and ratcheted up their demands.
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the top official here being asked to resign. both sides digging in, jake. >> and obviously protesters are anticipating they are going to be more protesters than usual today because it's a holiday. china's national day. does it look like there will be a bigger crowd than normal? and how nervous are people about the threat of violence from the hong kong and ultimately the chinese authorities? >> i think it's fair to say that there is a bigger crowd at this hour of the morning. you know, the pattern we've seen is that the crowds ballooned before midnight and 11:00 and 10:00 p.m. and tend to go down but, yes, wednesday being a national holiday, many more people can afford to skip work. they are not going to be working. so they can come out here. so the numbers and especially there have been these kinds of flash torrential downpours.
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so -- and people stayed through them. they held up their umbrellas which has become a symbol in this protester. the tear gas coming from the riot please, the umbrellas have been used to protect against the elements. one of the questions is what will the security force do, the police do? their heavy-handed tactics only caused an impasse. if they use more force, they threaten to bring more support to the side of these demonstrators. jake? >> ivan watson, stay safe. joining us now from hong kong is edward choy, a protester who has been in the street with the occupy central organization. edward, thank you for joining us. do you think that the government
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in beijing, the chinese government, will eventually give you and your fellow protesters what you are asking for, democratic elections? >> to be honest, i have no idea. we can only hope for the best and that's the only way that we can fight for real democracy right now. it's the only options. we have tried different means and we have tried our legislature has tried to talk and we've tried peaceful demonstration just for one day. it didn't work so we have to do this movement to try to force the government what we are really talking about. >> what does it feel like out in the streets? are you scared? is it exciting? obviously the memory of tiananmen square is not that far behind. what's the emotion out there? >> for today it's exciting for
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sure because we are tens and thousands of people and, according to my memory, it's the first time for the hong kong police to actually launch tear gas on its own people after the hand-over. so we are terrifying. we don't know what the government will do next. and it's a peaceful demonstration. we only have umbrellas and face masks that you use for surgical. so we don't have any weapons. we are highly disciplined. we only recycle our own trash and rubbish. that's insane that they still launched tear gas on us. >> back in 1989 it showed a
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willingness to actually kill protesters, to stop the peaceful demonstrations that were going on in tiananmen square. how much do you guys think about tiananmen square while you're out there? we want more hong kong citizens to join us. we now have thousands of people. i don't think they can kill that many people. >> now, as you know. the hong kong -- china's handpicked leader of hong kong has accused protesters of letting things get out of control and they say you need to go home now. what would it take for the protesters to go home? do you have any -- is there any suggestion at all that anybody would heed what they are saying? >> we are more than happy to go home. we are hong kong people.
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we don't belong on the street. we work in the office and then we go home and hang out. we don't protest unless it's necessary. so for the government to resolve this situation, the only way is to respond to our request. we want genuine democracy for universal suffrage. we want to have our rights to hand-pick out own leader. >> what do you expect to happen in the coming days? >> i hope the government is going to respond to its own people. otherwise, we will still be here and we can do this for next week again. >> edward tsai, a protester, occupy hong kong. best of luck with your demonstration, best of luck trying to get the basic democratic rights of all people in the world should have. thank you. coming up on "the lead," the first case of ebola diagnosed in
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welcome back to "the lead." we're following breaking news. we have just learned that the centers for disease control is confirming the very first ebola case in the united states diagnosed. the outbreak, of course, has crippled several countries in west africa where there have been more than 6,000 reported cases and 3,000 deaths. in about 30 minutes, the cdc will give us the new details on this first reported u.s. case. we know that a patient in dallas was put in isolation recently after showing ebola-like
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symptoms. we're going to keep an eye on the story and bring you all of the information about it as soon as it comes to us. now to other national news, authorities in louisville have apprehended the suspect in a school shooting. fortunately, in neither case does it appear anyone was seriously injured. certainly no one killed as of now that we know of. but ending this seemingly endless stream of shootings on schools and public places across america, that is the goal of my next guest, former astronaut mark kelly and his wife gabby giffords giffords have been working on this since she was shot in tucson, arizona, in 2011. in his new book "enough" kelly says he supports the second
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amendment, the right to bear arms but would impose restrictions to gun lovers. mark, thank you for joining us. your passion is obvious. what sort of things can be done in an incident like today? when you hear about school shootings or other mass shootings in public, what law can actually stop them? >> well, you're never going to stop all of them. i mean, that's clear. we've got 33 or so murders every single day from gun violence in this country. but we can impact a lot of them by doing some commonsense things that do not affect responsible gun owners. so those things are having an expanded background check system to make sure criminals and dangerously mentally don't get their hands on a gun. there's a great option for them to, go to a gun show or over the internet. there are laws that we could do to improve and combat gun trafficking, which is a big
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problem in this country. how about mental illness? often you see with mass shootings, there's some component of mental illness. the mental health system of our country has been dismantled over the last 20 years and i will certainly agree with the nra on that point is that mental illness is a serious issue. we can put a big dent in the cases. >> i think one of the big criticisms of the gun control movement and its ability to get anything passed is, at least in the wake of your wife's tragedy in tucson in which others were killed -- i should note, and then, of course, there was the movie theater shooting in aurora, and then in newtown. none of the proposals would have done anything to stop those horrific tragedies. it seemed that democratic lawmakers put down what they thought would pass and tried to
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pass that even though there wasn't a direct cause and effect. do you think maybe trying to find legislation that would have affected tucson, aurora, that might be more successful? >> well, i think it depends on how much detail you look into each individual case. what happened with gabby and her constituents in tucson, arizona. here was a guy that was clearly mentally ill. the community college knew, his parents knew. he didn't get adjudicated mentally ill. if those things had happened and he went to a federally licensed firearms' dealer and the government knew he was ill, he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun there but what is to stop him from going down the street? yes, it does get complex when you look at each specific case but clearly in the case of the mass shootings, mental health is an aspect of that. but it makes commonsense, right now 60% of all gun sales occur with a background check.
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why do we allow the other 40% to happen? we know people fail a background check in a gun store. why do we give them an option of going somewhere else. we shouldn't. >> you have recently ran and took down this television ad in arizona. let's run that. >> my daughter was just 19 when she told her boyfriend their relationship was over and he got a gun a he he shot her and my husband. he had threatened her before. i knew. i just knew. >> politico said of that ad, gabby giffords gets mean. >> we agree it was a tough ad but the ad was to point out that policies affect people's lives. and we have people in this country every single day, every single day that die because there are not sufficient laws that protect them and it's important that the voter knows a
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candidate's position on these laws. so that's what that ad did. >> right. >> everything in the ad was accurate and it pointed out this candidate's position and when the candidate changed their position. >> they took it down. >> we took it down. >> mark kelly, say hi to your wife for us, please. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i turn you over to "the situation room" and wolf blitzer. >> ebola in the united states. the first confirmed case diagnosed in this country. who and where is the patient? intruder indicted. a grand jury has just charged the man who ran into a store and beheaded a woman. isis battles back. can the u.s.-led coalition stop the terrorists' momentum? dna link. there's new evidence tieing the man in

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